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Please to submit your opinions on a hypothetical idea. Thanks muchly!

[Poll #1830234]

Date: 2012-03-30 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampira6.livejournal.com
Hypothetical? Aww.

Date: 2012-03-30 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-not-well.livejournal.com
Polling to determine the level of interest. :)

Date: 2012-03-30 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampira6.livejournal.com
:) I'd post it to some communities, if I were you.

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Date: 2012-03-30 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sordid-humors.livejournal.com
This is squiffy for me.

When people in the HP fandom refer to "Daddy Kink," they're usually talking about some kind of role or age play, as opposed to Daddy as it appears in the gay male community.

I think this comm/fest idea could easily morph into a littles/role-play fest. Which would be cool and all, just 100% not my cup of tea. I would love to see a festival that actually addresses the D/s power structure of Daddy/sub--then again, I know there aren't many out there who share that interest. If it's going to be an age play extravaganza, count me out. Too much rl squick for me. But if its going to be more generic power structure focused, I might throw my hand in. Might.

Date: 2012-03-31 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-not-well.livejournal.com
We welcome ageplay, domestic D/s (power structure), sugar daddies (age disparity), and anything else in between. Given the nature of the fandom, you will probably see a lot of ageplay, but personally I'm hoping for more variety.

If we make it to the prompting stage, and you see a prompt you like, we'd be glad to have you join in.

Date: 2012-03-31 07:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sordid-humors.livejournal.com
Yup. Age play and role play are not my thing. I respect them as fetishes but I stay far far far the fuck away, for everyone's benefit.

If there's a prompt which would work for me, I'll consider it. Providing I can make it past the age play prompts on the page.

If you make it to the prompting stage, dear, just message me if there's something which would fit me. In all honesty, I'd probably have a really hard time sifting through the other stuff to find something which spoke to me. Would that be okay? I'd like to help you out, I believe in the fetish and am involved with it in my personal life, but... let's call it a sensitive gag reflex? When it comes to age play, anyway. I can't handle littles and forced-femme anymore. Call it old codger syndrome: no more patience to be had.

Date: 2012-03-31 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shantismurf.livejournal.com
If I hadn't seen you comment here I would have sent the link your way, but I am so not surprised to see you already all over this!

Here here! I am 100% with you on this. Do you really think there aren't a lot in the fandom into exploring D/s roles? Daddy!kink isn't specifically my thing, but I'd never turn down reading it :D

Date: 2012-04-01 02:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sordid-humors.livejournal.com
Most of what I see in the HP fandom is what I would call role play or SSC-geared kink. There have been a few very pleasant exceptions over the years. But in general, it's either an SSC-type scene between two or more individuals... or an outright slavery/non-consensual extravaganza. I don't see a lot of power structure D/s. I see virtually no RACK (again, with a couple of exceptions here and there).

I'd love to see a fest geared more towards writing RACK or lifestyle interactions as they happen in reality. I also realize this wouldn't draw much of an audience! There are more people into SSC role play than there are into RACK BDSM--SSC is more accessible and generally considered safer by the BDSM community. SSC is the face we present to the public. RACK is more of a behind-closed-doors practice, to be honest. Those who know about it and practice it are small in number. A community catering to them wouldn't have much foot traffic. I understand why our lovely potential mods are suggesting opening things up toward SSC. I agree with them. It's probably the best method for gathering enough folks to put on a good show. If it was just D/s power dynamic... there would be 7 or 8 writers available to commit, tops. There are many many kink writers, though. Broadening the spectrum is probably the best bet to get this thing off the ground.

I might do something. If time allows, I could do a couple somethings. I've been bitten by a bunny for a Hermione/Ron, Mommy/submissive drabble in maybe the last hour. Shit could work out. (I'd just have to keep it small. You know my current commitments....) >_

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Date: 2012-03-31 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deirdre-aithne.livejournal.com
Myself and my co-mod on [livejournal.com profile] hp_ageplay have vaguely mentioned the possibility of a fest sometime in the future (which would obviously be open to daddy!kink fics that include an ageplay element). But nothing definite there, just thought I'd throw that out there. xD

Date: 2012-03-31 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-not-well.livejournal.com
We discussed bringing the idea to you, but since ageplay is only part of the scope of what we want to do, we didn't think it would be a good fit.

To give you a specific example - [livejournal.com profile] paean_sf rec'd my fic In This Light on [livejournal.com profile] hp_ageplay a few months ago. But to me that one's really not an "ageplay" fic, as nobody's pretending to be a child there. It is a daddy!kink fic, but that's more about the power dynamic, in my mind.

Plus we wanted to be able to include sugar daddies (age disparity, providing money/gifts in exchange for sex) and domestic D/s, neither of which necessarily include ageplay. So while there is some overlap...it's not an exact duplication.

Date: 2012-03-31 07:01 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sordid-humors.livejournal.com
Right-o. Because you have the people like me, who practice/are into D/s with Daddy/sub dynamic but are really, incredibly, violently squicked by age play for whatever reason. I would never participate in a fest if it was hosted by an age play comm because that's just not my thing. I agree that Daddy and the D/s aspect needs to be separated from the potential age play. Lots of people observe this dynamic with absolutely no role play or age play involved. (not like fandom has ever based itself in reality or anything...what is this madness Trey speaks of?!?!)

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Date: 2012-04-01 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
We'd love to have you and your co-mods' input on the fest. We're not trying to usurp [livejournal.com profile] hp_ageplay, just trying to draw enough things under a larger umbrella to have a successful fest.

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Date: 2012-03-31 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretsalex.livejournal.com
So I assume you know all about the [livejournal.com profile] hp_ageplay comm, yeah? (Not being a smartass or anything, just making sure.)

I love Daddy!kink--and basically any kind of sexual roles based on some fucked up version of the family romance. (Yeah, Freud!) The only thing I wanted to specifically mention here is that I don't think a Daddy!kink comm is a place for other Big/little roles. (For instance, calling my lover daddy and him calling me babygirl is a whole different ball of wax than calling my lover Sir and him calling me baby. Is it just me with my carefully categorized perversions that thinks that's totally different? it seems like we'd cross the line into all kinds of BDSM/D/s--and I love all those things, but I would classify them differently.)

Yeah porn! Excited!

ETA: And yeah you know about [livejournal.com profile] hp_ageplay because earlier posters even mentioned it. *should read all the threads*
Edited Date: 2012-03-31 12:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-03-31 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
Other possible fest mod here:

We talked about coming to you guys about a possible fest, but since age play is only one possible aspect (and in my mind more of an offshoot of my main interests), it seemed worth trying to separate things out, and a make a more inclusive community. We had a bit of trouble with the name for that reason. We are deliberately trying to cross some barriers, and if 1. the fest happens and; 2. it morphs into a D/s or BDSM fest, I would not object.

I do hear what you are saying about Daddy/baby being a very different dynamic than Sir/____. But in my mind, while they don't really work in the same storyline, 2 stories in a fest which use those different roles would be more than acceptable.

Date: 2012-03-31 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atdelphi.livejournal.com
I clicked all the options for Question 3 not because they're all in my personal interpretation of Daddy Kink (which tends towards the plain old Daddy/boy queer trope) but because I've been involved with niche exchanges and communities before and wonder if a broad definition might be needed to get the numbers you'd need for a successful fest or group.

Date: 2012-03-31 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
Thanks! We've been thinking along similar lines about making it a broadly inclusive concept of Daddy!kink.

Date: 2012-03-31 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vampira6.livejournal.com
(Excuse my babbling, I'm not even sure I'm awake right now.)
I happily ticked all the boxes for question three, and I wasn't aware of the discussion that's happening until I saw [livejournal.com profile] paean_sf's post. So now I feel like I need to clarify why I ticked all those boxes. I interpreted the question as more like, what would people like to see in general and what should be allowed in the fest? Rather than a definition for what daddy!kink means to us. I'm a person who, quite frankly, likes and will read almost all kinks, and because as a result I don't have to worry about things bothering me, I just read what I like, enjoy it and don't think about labeling. But I do understand that for purposes like these, it is important, because some people (like those who have already spoken up) will be squicked if certain things are included. So, the ticking of all those boxes doesn't mean that I think all those things are what daddy!kink is about and that they should all be included in every fic, obviously. But I would like it if they were all allowed. As for the age play vs. daddy!kink thing, they two completely different things, age play being more about the role playing and daddy!kink being more of an approach to D/s. But I think, in my humble opinion, that they can occasionally also happen together, and so age play should be allowed. As well as stories without any form of ageplay. Which is, you know, my opinion and it's wrong because I have absolutely no experience with this, except plain old boring D/s that has nothing to do with daddies whatsoever, or knowledge, because I've never really bothered to think about it before. And now I don't remember what I was talking about. Lalala. *Wanders off to where she came from*

Date: 2012-03-31 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
You actually do make sense, even if you seen seems to be an apology for replying. *feels happy that you replied*

I think there is an overlap in the Venn diagram sense between Daddy/sub and age play, but agree they have less commonality than differences.

Experience can sometimes pale when compared to imagination. Some of my favorite writers write things that they have no personal experience with - like magical worlds with a boarding school called Hogwarts. I call Mr. Paean a lot of things, but not Daddy. He similarly doesn't call me Daddy (or Mummy), but that doesn't mean I can't imagine all sorts of things where a character is written in that sort of role.

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Date: 2012-03-31 09:08 pm (UTC)
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I tend to write and seek out the ageplay/roleplay definition of daddy!kink but I think there is room for many interpretations for the fest.

I'm intrigued by the idea of sugar!daddy fic. I'd definitely be interested in seeing that happen.

Though I am a bit confused by the idea of mommies in play at a daddykink fest? So that's throwing me off a little bit.

Date: 2012-03-31 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-not-well.livejournal.com
*facepalm* I know, it's getting very confusing for me too now. :P

We were trying to come up with the name for a comm, but there are only so many letters we can use, and daddykink just seemed to be the best umbrella term. But we DO want to include all pairings - not just slash. So it's the same roles, just different genders.

Date: 2012-03-31 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
There's extremely little Mummy/Mommy!kink out there. But we wanted to include the idea that the in-control-more-adult-role could be a woman, and she didn't have to gender transgress to be a part of the fest.

In terms of naming things, hp_daddyandmommykink is way too long, and sounds like a community about het couples making babies, which is nowhere near what we wanted.

It may all be that all the stories feature a masculine Daddy character, but I would be delighted to see a bit more variation on the theme. Does that make more sense? We are open to suggestions for re-naming or clearer tag lines if necessary.

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Date: 2012-03-31 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shantismurf.livejournal.com
To me it's a power play thing, not always D/s, but can be. I'm a bit squicked by ageplay though.

Date: 2012-03-31 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paean-sf.livejournal.com
There can be an overlap, but ageplay is only one possible interpretation of Daddy!kink. If we get enough interest in a fest, we will be careful about content/warnings.

Thanks for your answer.

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Date: 2012-04-14 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jordenkinsey.livejournal.com
Daddy!kink is a guilty pleasure of mine, so I think a comm is a great idea! I like that you're wanting to include het (and hopefully femslash) as well. HP girls always miss out on the good kink.

Date: 2012-05-20 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] all-not-well.livejournal.com
OMG, I am so sorry I didn't see this sooner. For some reason, when I included a poll in the post, LJ decided I didn't need to be updated when new comments were added. *facepalm*

I'm glad to know there's interest out there! We're still in the planning stages, but hopefully within the next month or two we'll be opening the comm up for business. :D

I like having it open to all sorts of pairings as well - it should bring in some variety, as far as dynamics and themes are concerned. Since Daddy!kink is such a small subset of the fandom, we wanted to leave room for as many people as possible to participate. And besides - why should the guys have all the kinky fun? ;)

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